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==Car battery disposal==
==Car battery disposal==


All cars have batteries, hybrids have two or more. Car battery disposal is more of an issue for hybrids, when the batteries useful life is exhausted.  
All cars have batteries, hybrids have two. Car battery disposal is an issue for hybrids, when they are recycled, as the propulsion battery's useful life is specified to be longer than the life of the car.  


The 12V batteries in most vehicles are highly recyclable since the infrastructure is already in place, unlike the newer batteries used in hybrids.  So far, not enough batteries have failed to require a disposal infrastructure and the salvage batteries are selling on Ebay for plug-in projects.
The 12V batteries in most vehicles are highly recyclable since the infrastructure is already in place, unlike the newer batteries used in hybrids.  So far, not enough batteries have failed to require a disposal infrastructure and many salvage batteries are selling on Ebay for plug-in projects. It is not likely that the propulsion batteries will end up in a landfill, because Toyota for example is offering a $200 bonus for every battery returned. In addition, unlike the 12V battery which contains the heavy (toxic) metal lead, the propulsion battery is constructed using NickelMetalHydride which has very little toxic metals and would not be a problem in a landfill, otherwise all the camera and other rechargeable batteries would have been an issue already. However, the Nickel is a valuable metal, so that is the reason it is being recycled.
 
In general the automobile industry recycles over 80% of car batteries. This rate is much higher than many consumer industries including computers even though the auto industry uses 10 times more than computers.


==Extra weight==
==Extra weight==

Revision as of 16:30, 27 November 2007

For the sake of contrast and balance, here are good reasons to wait on buying a hybrid vehicle:

Hybrids cost more upfront

Sticker price along with taxes including sales and license fees tend to be 10-30% higher, usually about $3,000 or more. However, it is $1,500 between equivalent equipped Camry and Camry hybrids. How you recover this cost depends on several factors, including:

  1. Fuel cost
  2. When you sell it
  3. Resale value
  4. Your income tax situation
  5. How much you drive
  6. Your insurance company
  7. The state you live in
  8. How you finance your vehicle
  9. Where you take it for service
  10. What type of warranties you bought
  11. Where you park and how you commute

A UC Davis study of hybrid consumers showed that none calculated these economic variables [refrence needed]. This seems to be no different than the reasons other cars a bought, but it could make sense to investigate if you can park for free in public parking or if you qualify for a tax rebate on the purchase of a new Hybrid as well as investigate if you can qualify for Solo-driving car pool lane stickers [only the most efficient vehicles qualify for this]. Omninerd has developed an incredibly detailed look at the economics of hybrid dated from 2005. [1]

In 2006, Escape Hybrid taxi drivers say they may save more than $6,000 on gas per year" more than enough to cover the hybrid premium in the first year. [2]

Note that steeply rising crude oil prices are reflected in gasoline price increases and this can drastically shorten the period to break even on the investment to buy a Hybrid vehicle.

More Choices

Globally there are about 50 electric, Hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles. Though more and more auto manufacturers are creating hybrids, there are more flexible fuel vehicles on American roads in terms of units. Hybrids are being tested in every segment from sub-compacts to SUVs. Strides are being taken and now, auto consumers can even choose between a durable Ford Escape Hybrid SUV or a luxurious Lexus GS 450h. So far, smaller commuting vehicles like the Civic and Prius have outsold all the rest. On the other side, Honda had to cut back production of the Accord Hybrid and Toyota did the same with the Highlander Hybrid.

Future choices will include plug-ins and higher mileage hybrids. Toyota is already working on a 94 mpg next gen Prius and plug ins have already topped 100 mpgs. These make more sense if you charge via solar or wind or at night when the grid is underutilized because the grid does not have any batteries.

Whether you wait to buy a future car with better gas mileage or start saving fuel and cost with a vehicle that is available today is a choice each buyer has to make for him or herself.

Fuel Reliance

Although hybrids can be made to run on any fuel, most hybrids on the market today rely on gasoline, for which there is no synthetic substitute. Most diesel engines can run on bio-diesel without modification, although oil is used extensively in the growing, refining, and delivery of bio-diesel-- such that net oil savings are not as big as would appear at first sight.

The benefit of Hybrids is that use the same infrastructure of cars, roads, gas stations, service centers and so on, while reducing the consumption of crude oil by up to 50% which will make any country importing oil less dependent on the availability of oil from foreign sources. The available oil will also go a longer way in providing the energy we need for our daily life, we have more time to find alternatives. Some sources suggest that "Peak Oil" is already behind us because the production of oil has not grown world-wide for 2 years, indicating that the existing oil fields cannot produce more and new oil fields are in short supply. Any help to reduce oil consumption is therefor a good idea as there will likely be a crunch for the available oil, leading to extreme price increases, which seems to be what the crude oil price has starting to show.

Car battery disposal

All cars have batteries, hybrids have two. Car battery disposal is an issue for hybrids, when they are recycled, as the propulsion battery's useful life is specified to be longer than the life of the car.

The 12V batteries in most vehicles are highly recyclable since the infrastructure is already in place, unlike the newer batteries used in hybrids. So far, not enough batteries have failed to require a disposal infrastructure and many salvage batteries are selling on Ebay for plug-in projects. It is not likely that the propulsion batteries will end up in a landfill, because Toyota for example is offering a $200 bonus for every battery returned. In addition, unlike the 12V battery which contains the heavy (toxic) metal lead, the propulsion battery is constructed using NickelMetalHydride which has very little toxic metals and would not be a problem in a landfill, otherwise all the camera and other rechargeable batteries would have been an issue already. However, the Nickel is a valuable metal, so that is the reason it is being recycled.

Extra weight

Extra weight and usually lack of performance in terms of acceleration and speed except at low speeds where the electric motor torque gives excellent acceleration. Heavy cars require more energy to move, and greatly affect safety and handling. The Camry hybrid is about 300lbs more than the Camry XLE counterpart. The addition of an electrical engine in the front of the car and a battery pack in the rear right behind passenger seat increases the polar momentum of the car compared to the XLE, which in turn may make the car less stable when cornering. This is especially noticable in adverse weather conditions.

Real world mileage

The observed mileage is lower than the EPA estimates when not driving EPA profiles. Note that this is true of all vehicles because of the ultimate testing conditions. The gap is even higher in Japan where the Prius and Insight are rated at 90-100 mpgs. Recent studies in the U.S. have put hybrids in "real world" driving conditions, significantly reducing the actual MPG for many hybrids.

Controversial Studies

A controversial study by an auto industry analyst claims that it takes more energy to manufacture a hybrid than a regular car. The reportedly rigorous study claims the energy consumed by a Hummer is less than a Prius over their entire lives (due to higher design and manufacturing energy costs for the Prius and a shorter projected life span). The study, of course, has been attacked by environmentalists and those who read the Dept. of Energy fleet report, INL/CON-05-00964, where the first generation hybrids went over 160,000 miles with no appreciable loss of performance. But this study raises interesting questions to consider such as how all SUVs got unusually high lifetime mileage.

  • Here is a link to a summary of the study's findings:[3].
  • The original study is available from CNW Marketing at: [4].
  • A critique of the study is at GreenHybrid.

A white paper written by the founders of Tesla Motors, showed that hybrids ranked quite high in efficiency. Electric cars ranked highest, and the study can be found at Tesla's website.

Alternatives

Alternatives are available now including electric vehicles that PG&E gives a price break on electricity for, biodiesel conversions that can run on used cooking oil including McDonald's, natural gas cars like Honda's HX that are cleaner and can be filled at home, sugar based cars that run on E85 and the like, fuel cell vehicles, and/or any combination of above in hybrid form.

Also, clean diesel cars will be available in 2008. These get equivalent mileage to hybrids without the added weight and battery disposal issues. They also emit about the same amount of carbon as Hybrids.

See also